im looking into getting a mac book pro. i was curious what kind of specs on sound they have i can not seem to find the info on what it comes with. Does it work for music production off the shelf using abelton, reason, dimond, etc.???
the pc/mac comparison seems to be never ending and i need to get a laptop. stat.
the pc/mac comparison seems to be never ending and i need to get a laptop. stat.
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Re: mac pro sound card?
Tue, August 14, 2007 - 3:37 PM
Mikey,
The MacBook (and Pros) sound cards are supported by the audio software. It sounds ok for output, though I personally wouldn't record with it. I have a MacBook that I use for audio when I need to be portable, and I always bring my MOTU Traveler along to do actual recording.
Regards,
John
Falling You - exploring the beauty of voice and sound
www.fallingyou.com
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Re: mac pro sound card?
Tue, August 14, 2007 - 6:13 PMAgreeing on the outboard sound card. sorry, I don't know the specs. Have you gone through the setup specs on the appl web site for building a custom 'puter? Huh, I just went through the build options on appl.com and it says nothing about the specs. But you probably knew that too. -
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Tue, August 14, 2007 - 8:04 PMOn ANY laptop I would recommend using an outboard "card" (why do we still call them cards when they're actually boxes at that point?) to input audio, since even with a company like Apple going for the best possible components (and having long since been cured of the "not made here" syndrome), the inside of a densely packed laptop is usually just electrically too noisy an environment for analogue to digital converters. (And I think space constraints limit any internal card to less functionality - two in, two out. ) The built-in output, however is topnotch. But as long as you're using the card for input, might as well use its output, often multichannel, too. (Plus you'll usually get separate headphone outs.)
Just to go off on a related tangent for a moment, I first ran into the problem of circuit noise with the old Digidesign Audiomedia II and III cards in old Mac towers (I heard the Soundblasters in PCs of the same era were even worse), and my solution was to get an rackmount A/D/A converter connected via coax to the AM III's digital I/O. Get the converters outside the computer was the advice I heard back then and ever since I've been leery of internal soundcards, with converters on them, that claim to be pro quality. (The MOTU 2408 mk II I got to replace the AM III a little later kept all the conversion in the rackmount unit and connected via Firewire to a basic card in one of the slots.)
However, I have recorded simple stereo audio, using just my MB Pro's own input, as part of recording several demo movies using Quicktime and iMovie, with the audio coming in from a Behringer mixer (analogue) and video from the built-in iSight. I didn't notice any noise but then they were Indian pieces with my Raagini drone box going the whole time, which may have masked any noise which otherwise night have been apparent in moments of silence.
example here: uk.youtube.com/watch
But I haven't really tested the MB Pro's noise floor/interference noise, since I like having the functions and multichannels of an outboard card. It may be quiet enough in these new models.
I have both an M-Audio FireWire 410 (for my older Powerbook), which I've had for a while, and a MOTU Ultralight which I use for either my Intel iMac (studio brain) or the Macbook Pro (travel and future gigs.)
When you're just working with audio loops already in the 'puter, in Live or Logic or Cubase or whatever, the built-in soundcard is fine. -
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Tue, August 14, 2007 - 8:13 PMShould've added: if you're just using Reason, you can get away without using an external card (no audio input in Reason, right?) The moment you use an app that you do want to record audio into, you should probably use an external card. -
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Tue, August 14, 2007 - 9:51 PMI've heard plenty of people using the internal sound card (for output) on mac laptops, and never noticed any sound quality issues. As far as the line in, give it a try. -
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Tue, August 14, 2007 - 11:06 PMchange of topic than, for the outboard box, is the motu traveler or ultralite most preferable, i will be recording outboard vocals, instruments etc, via a alesis or mackie mixer. what would be best? -
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Tue, August 14, 2007 - 11:06 PMjust read some good reviews on e-mu and m-audio outboards as well. -
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Wed, August 15, 2007 - 5:07 AMOn loopers delight, people are really tauting the RME break out boxes.
They are pricey but said to be the very best for excellent sound quality and very , very low latency.
I don't own one but it seems to be the consensus on that very , very well informed list of musicians.
and a quick note about the EMU sound cards:
EMU has just been killed by their parent company CREATIVE. Everyone has been fired or reassigned.
This is really sad imho. EMU has been a very creative and innovative company.
The only good coming out of it is that there may be an incredible dump of their sound cards and their
fantastica Software samplers.
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Re: mac pro sound card?
Wed, August 15, 2007 - 4:25 PMSo, EMU might = great deals on great gear w/ Zero support, ya? -
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Fri, August 17, 2007 - 9:52 PMActually, I do believe that there will be a lot of support for EMU products.
They have for a long time put out there repair work to a second party source.
There will certainly be a plethora of parts for a long time.
I've had really good luck getting my EMU products fixed at this second party source.
I am blanking on the name of it, but it's at teh EMU website for anyone who wants to look it up.
Also, some people don't have unlimited funds to buy top notch gear, so something like this can put
really great gear into the hands of a young artist years before they would be able to afford
something like a pricey RME sound card...................this will hasten their growth as a musician and
make their music much more mature by the time they are able to afford such gear.
I don't think it's always a good thing to poo poo opportunities like this because they are not perfect.
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Re: mac pro sound card?
Mon, May 19, 2008 - 10:53 AMI am using Garritan's Jazz and Big Band program in Finale 2008 (scoring and editing). On playback, I get clicks, pops, skips, etc. periodically. Gary Garritan told me to set the buffer higher on my MacBook Pro sound card. I can't figure out how to do this.
Please advise.
Thanks!
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Re: mac pro sound card?
Wed, August 15, 2007 - 6:42 PMOne thing people forget is that, on the MacBook Pro, there is actually an optical output and input (only 2 channels I believe). These are very low noise options to use. -
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Wed, August 15, 2007 - 7:05 PMI was going to mention that, but the problem is that:
a) even if you happen to have an optical input on your monitoring system at home, there won't be one anyplace you want to play and
b) to be able to get optical-format audio into the computer, you'd have to have an external audio device anyway, at which point you may as well just use USB or FireWire.
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Re: mac pro sound card?
Wed, August 15, 2007 - 10:16 PM
M,
Actually, the normal MacBooks have optical in / out as well (thanks for reminding me!), but until optical jacks are ubiquitous (not just in studios, but in clubs, mics, synths, guitars, etc.) you still need something to turn analog into digital.
I personally use a MOTU Traveler and really like it.
Regards,
John
Falling You - exploring the beauty of voice and sound
www.fallingyou.com
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Re: mac pro sound card?
Thu, August 16, 2007 - 2:19 AMTrue, optical ins/outs aren't quite wide spread yet (probably due to the fact its still expensive to use fiber optic). I just thought I'd point out a couple of pros in the situation to even out all the cons of the sound card.
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Sun, August 19, 2007 - 7:51 AMIf you just need stereo in, you might be happy with the internal inputs with a good cable that has no noise. IF you need multiple inputs get a firewire input box -
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Sun, August 19, 2007 - 8:36 PM
I researched this for an incredibly long time before deciding on an interface, and after what felt like a thorough job, I came to the conclusion that the best quality options out there, at least for home studios, (as reported by technicians and 'consumers') are the RME Fireface, MOTU (the traveler was recommended to me at my local shop by someone who seemed to know what he was talking about), and the Metric Halo units (very pricey but top reviews).
Best of luck getting up and running so the fun can begin!
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:55 PMIf you can afford Apogee hardware, I would go this route... www.apogeedigital.com/products/duet.php
They're about $450 new
Apples built in DACs and ADCs sound pretty bad.
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