The Perfect Kick

topic posted Wed, August 26, 2009 - 1:28 AM by  Mark
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I've been trying for some time now to find how to get the perfect kick drum and I'm still struggling to find the answer. I'm talking about techno drums where they're deep, punchy and full, cut through the mix but don't dominate it, hard but tamed.

If you're into techno and know your sounds, I'm thinking about the kinda kicks you hear coming out of the Ostgut Ton tracks. Big room techno kicks, this is what I want.

Any suggestions?
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  • Re: The Perfect Kick

    Wed, August 26, 2009 - 3:22 PM
    To get the Kick to cut through the mix you'll first need to sidechain your bassline to the kick drum. This basically makes the bass ____ just as your kick is hitting.

    To get the big sounding kick your looking for I would start out by listening to the Vengeance sample packs. www.vengeance-sound.com/
    • Re: The Perfect Kick

      Mon, September 21, 2009 - 3:22 PM
      Run your kick drum into a buss channel where you have an eq, a multi band compressor, and a limiter such as the waves L3. Before you do this, insert an EQ on the kick drum channel and cut below 50hz or so.

      Experiment with different settings, depending on your kick sample, you may use all 3, 2, or even just one of the above plug ins, usually I use the logic multi-band with relatively simple and non-extreme settings, and the L3 with about 2-3 db of squash.

      If your kick is muddy, cut some of the 250-300hz, if there's not enough low end, boost somewhere between 60-120hz... make sure to avoid boosting the same frequecies that are prominent in your bassline, and vice versa.

      And yes, sidechain your bassline.

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      • Re: The Perfect Kick

        Tue, September 22, 2009 - 1:05 AM
        One of the chief problems with kick drums, especially in modern electronica where deeper and deeper sub bass sounds
        have become popular is the timbral masking that occurs when two sounds occur simultaneously (the brain will tend to only
        hear the loudest of the two sounds in this case).

        A really cool trick that we used to use back in Analogue recording days was to take a
        31 band stereo equalizer and put the kick in mono on one side of the stereo equalizer and the
        bass sound in the other.

        Beginning at 30 hz you cut 3 db on the kick drum and raise the melodic bass sound by 3 db
        at the next band (60hz) you do the exact opposite
        in the next band you do what you did on the first band.

        Physically , looking at the equalizer, the EQ looks like a zipper, each side alternately cutting and adding
        3db.

        Interestingly, if you solo each channel, the kick and the melodic bass sound will sound a little strange
        but when you put them both center in the stereo spread, they will not mask each other anymore and yet they
        will both sound full spectrum and distinct.

        I love this trick and have used it on so many records.

        Next question................who has a really good freeware simulation of a stereo 31 band graphic equalizer
        (or an inexpensive shareware one)?

        I so sensitive to timbral masking as a producer that I design kick and bass sounds specifically to be complementary with each other so I haven't actually used this techniques with electronic music yet.

        ******
        by the way, the only problem with side chaining as advised earlier in this thread is that one sound will duck out when the kick is played and in a lot of dance musics, it's vitally important that the kick and melodic bass play on the same note.

        This is especially important in breakbeat music where the kicks and the bass sounds won't be as timbrally divergent as , say, in Drum and Bass, or the kick as prevalent and unrelenting as in Techno.
        • Re: The Perfect Kick

          Wed, September 30, 2009 - 4:53 PM
          logic and garage band have such an equalizer...

          look for it in "AU" plug-ins under the "Apple" category. It's the graphic EQ.

          -Jan

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