I get SLAMMED all the time by my brother who uses Cubase with VST plugins, for using Reason to write and produce... he says it's not professional, you can't get a perfect sound out of it... that the drums and bass are shit.... you can't mix correctly in it... I'm sick of that shit.
I've been using Reason to produce for 3 years now and I could blame my own production technique for the bad sound than the program. I don't believe there is any method or program that will automatically give you a professional sound.
Here is some music that I've composed and mixed in Reason and then mastered in Logic... www.virb.com/happymurdermusic
Comments on the sound and creative quality are appreciated!
I've been using Reason to produce for 3 years now and I could blame my own production technique for the bad sound than the program. I don't believe there is any method or program that will automatically give you a professional sound.
Here is some music that I've composed and mixed in Reason and then mastered in Logic... www.virb.com/happymurdermusic
Comments on the sound and creative quality are appreciated!
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Re: Reason 4 vs. other programs
Fri, January 18, 2008 - 5:41 PMI've heard some incredible things done with Reason. And I've heard some incredibly terrible things done with Cubase. Your tracks don't sound incredibly muddy or anything. I've heard MUCH worse come out of Reason. In fact, I'd have to say I'd be hard pressed to name much of anything I've heard that sounded better.
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Re: Reason 4 vs. other programs
Fri, January 18, 2008 - 9:21 PMI gotta agree with Aaron. Trust your ears. I notice that I have to tweak my sounds a little to get the sounds I want with Reason but I am generally happy with the result. I often use Reason rewired into Ableton Live and get the best of both worlds that way.
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Re: Reason 4 vs. other programs
Sat, January 19, 2008 - 11:53 AMthank you! so its actually bad... but not THAT bad! : o -
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Sat, January 19, 2008 - 1:30 PMi meant my songs.
I know reason was meant to be taken as professional software. -
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Sat, January 19, 2008 - 10:03 PMYes it is meant to be taken that way and they addressed many of the "non professional sounding" issues in version number 3. BTW: most of the Beastie Boys "To the Five Boroughs" cd was done with Reason 2.0 and then recorded into Pro Tools. Liam Howlett (the Prodigy) also is an avid Reason user. Most of Reason's critics (including your brother...tell him this) are "elitist dicks". Your stuff is fine. -
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Re: Reason 4 vs. other programs
Sun, January 20, 2008 - 8:12 AMStylistically, the music is not my cup of tea, so I don't feel apt to comment on the productions themselves, but the quality is there. Like it was said above, the tomes aren't all muddy. Things come across clearly. you're using Reason better than I ever did...lol. Like all programs, it has it's limitations...no recording in option...yadda yadda... but Reason can be really great all around. I like the interface...it's fun and informative as to how things work and the routing is awesome. People tend to say that it sounds like Reason, but they also say that about Live. I think that usually comes from people using native patches and sounds. The all important lesson that I took from Reason is that the native/packaged sounds are bad. I never used one without heavily editing it. It's all about the refills...get lots in all styles. They will really take your sound further. I happen to use a lot of VSTs from Native Instruments etc. and a hard synth. I don't like most of the Live packaged sounds either. they are rather generic, which is to be avoided IMHO.
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Re: Reason 4 vs. other programs
Mon, January 21, 2008 - 3:01 PM:: I get SLAMMED all the time by my brother who uses Cubase with VST plugins, for using Reason to write and produce... he says it's not professional
reason haters abound, and to this day i attribute this to the fact that the reason factory sound bank is total wackness. if, for example, you take some samples from NI's battery 3 and throw them into redrum/NNXT, you get absolutely punched in the face with crisp and punchy percussion; on the other hand, you could search through the factory sound bank until you went retarded looking for a drum kit that didn't make you laugh. likewise, if you load up some factory subtractor patch, you get the distinct feeling you're rocking out on a radioshack casio fischer price series; however the absolutely gnarliest drum n bass producers for the most of the last decade were not making use of any functionality that isn't present in the subtractor. my humble patch-making enterprises with the subtractor have resulted in some real high-fidelity ass kicking. -
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Re: Reason 4 vs. other programs
Mon, January 21, 2008 - 4:44 PMYeah you really have to go the extra mile to get some good sounds out of it. The results are worth it though. What is funny is I was at a music store the other day and was tooling around with some of the keyboards and Man.....the "Lil' Phatty", the Access Virus, and the Korg Radias all pretty much kick ass right out of the box.....none of them are real cheap though. -
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Mon, January 21, 2008 - 6:59 PMyeah, if you throw big talent on patch design, you can get real brutality out of even mediocre synths. i don't understand why this isn't a bigger priority to synth designers.
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Re: Reason 4 vs. other programs
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 5:47 AMExactly... I think the mark of a good producer is how far that person will go to get his sound out of the tools he has available.
Reason isn't even meant to be a DAW, so you will always have to export or rewire the mix or individual instruments into a proper multi-track studio. To me Reason is excellent to create sounds and arrange songs, but post-production in Logic, Cubase or ProTools is a definitive MUST to get a crisp and clear sound. Plus you can't record audio into Reason. I think most Reason detractors get the wrong picture and slam Reason because it's not a "complete" application where you can do EVERYTHING. Personally I wouldn't place all of my eggs in the same crate, just as I wouldn't use just ONE piece of software to create all my music. I'd get so bored!
And yeah, DAMN, some of those keyboards are really good. I wish I had the $1000 for at least one. -
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Re: Reason 4 vs. other programs
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 10:24 AMi get a little static from some folks for my insistence on using image line fl-studio... so i understand where you're coming from.
my only real beef with reason is that it doesn't support vst
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:30 PMYes, but Reason won't crash either as a result of using certain plugs....I can't say that about Ableton live. What is cool is if you use Reason tracks rewired into Ableton you get a very reasonable CPU hit and the best of both world where you have a nice solid workstation and then this whole other platform where you can completely fuck it up.
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 12:59 AMi don't get crashes in fl-studio.... really stable... even with high cpu load (not that i get too much of that... yay fast system!)
but reason is, from what i hear, very stable
david
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